Foul language, swear words, should we translate this or simply refuse?

[IUS]

I think we should stick to the original idea of these forums, which is to exchange information and expertise about what is, for many of us, our gratest passion: the use and knowledge of language.

Again Agree.

[IUS]

Why is she allowed to behave like this?

Because we prefer for the community to moderate itself and this is what happened here.

[Leslie M]

Hello all,

I'm a new member and have been following this thread for a few days. I wasn't going to say anything but I feel at this point I have to speak up and offer another point of view. I work with elementary school age children. I have a basic command of Spanish but would like to learn more. My problem is I have to maintain a 'street-level' version of Spanish so I can understand my students, many of whom are underprivileged, at-risk youths.

During my day I hear many swear words spoken by the kids, but I confess I don't know what half of them mean. I would like to know the meanings of all these words, simply so I can be fully aware of what's being said to whom (or about me!) in the course of the day in my classroom, and so that if something really awful is said I can take the proper disciplinary action.

So with that being said, I was very interested in the "cacho cabron" post, because I've heard that one too! And I had no idea what it meant. I was really happy to find a site where actual people could give a translation on words such as this because those automatic translation sites don't really work very well for slang or curse words.
What was an interesting and informative post (to me anyway) quickly turned into a discussion on whether or not you as translators should even consider translating those requests, which I found really surprising.
Is this not a site for translators and for people seeking translations? So far in the threads there has only been one person apparently offended by that post, enough that she replied:

"We don't have to translate something just because someone requests it. We have to draw the line somewhere! danecao's requests are in very bad taste, and downright offensive. A thousand little red squares (bad reports) to this kind of postings!

I feel this responsewas completely inappropriate. How is the request in bad taste if danecao didn't know what the words meant in the first place?? And "offensive" is a subjective term, is it not? I didn't think the tv show "Happy Days" was offensive when I was a kid, in fact it was my favorite show. But I had school friends who were Mormon, and their parents found it offensive to the point of not allowing their children to watch it! So offensive to you is not necessarily offensive to me, and I think this person is completely out of line herself, suggesting that this board "draw the line" and not respond to certain requests because "she" finds them offensive!

There were a lot of really intelligent responses to her statement, in fact I agreed with every one of them. What is really disturbing though is that even after all these comments were made, even one by the Administrator agreeing with the comments, this person has become increasingly hostile and condescending to other posters on the board. What's up with that?? Are there no moderators on here? Why is this person allowed to continue posting after previously posting things like what I've listed below?

"Nothing would make me happier than been able to agree with you. You sound like such a nice sort of fellow. However, Carlos Roberto, as you are not just translating for the latin market - which thinks swearing is cool. It is your duty to learn about the cultures you are dealing with. Some are absurd to our way of thinking, but Hey! "
"latin market which thinks swearing is cool" – this is really condescending and insulting. How dare she speak for the entire Latin culture?

"...In the US -and I know what vicente said about his Texas. But in most of the US there is a certain amount of decorum. If you use swear words in public you can get into a great deal of trouble. In some instances the owners of establishments could call the police."
So basically she's saying Vincent lives in a backward, country-bumpkin state where people have no manners and cussing and cursewords are commonplace, whereas in "most of the US there is a certain amount of decorum." Am I reading this wrong or did she just insult the entire people of Texas?

It seems frequently this person seems to post her opinion on U.S. customs and laws as if from the point of view of a native. However it is plainly clear through her writing that she is not a native, and in fact in a previous post she mentions she has only been here for 13 years. At this point I would like to offer that I was born in the States and have lived here for more than 35 years, and I am a native English speaker. I take offense to more than a few of her posts which attempt to portray her as such, especially the one quoted below.

"BTW, Your English is very good. It is refreshing to read a well written comment. I remember a member replying to one of my messages. I was too polite, but wanted to say "if I could only understand what you are trying to say" I did not want to hurt her feelings. Though she is not shy about attacking me quite frequently."

This statement has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in the thread, and is a thinly veiled jab at another member on this board, though I don't know towards whom. Also, I have to say I find this statement rather humorous because after reading many of her comments, the truth is that this particular poster's English is not very good, nor is her grammar, nor is her spelling. For instance, the passage above contains a sentence fragment, among other things.
I find it puzzling she would present herself as having the skills of a native speaker who has full mastery of the language and all it's idiosyncrasies. Clearly that is not the case.

vicente, again! my most faithful heckler!
Two things,
First, I don't know if you are aware that it wasn't me who started this thread, and
Second, and repeating your own advise. If you don't like what you are reading "Leave the thread!". I believe that's what you said vicente, isn't it?
There are plenty of other threads where you can put your translating skills into practice

Heckler?! I didn't see one post where Vincent heckled this woman. In fact, I thought he responded intelligently, thoughtfully, and respectfully to her comments, as did others such as exxcéntrica, hugocar, mem286, analaura, CarlosRoberto, and many more. I feel this last post was extremely childish behavior on her part in an environment that she, herself, previously described as a "professional forum". Why is she allowed to behave like this? I've been on plenty of other professional boards and anyone who repeatedly insulted other members was summarily banned.

At any rate, I was excited to find this site initially but have been astonished by the actions of this person, and surprised at the inaction of the board to protect its members from posters exhibiting this type of behavior. There seem to be many intelligent, caring, professional people on this forum, however, I'm not sure I want to expose myself to a person who attacks people and becomes hostile when others do not agree with her. It's true that one bad apple can poison an entire barrel.

HOW WORDING GOT ON THIN ICE

I'VE IMAGINED A FROZEN POND
MADE ENTIRELY OF WORDS
WATER WOULD NOT SUFFICE
I PERSUADED A DICTIONARY
TO JOIN MY PLIGHT

AS MY MIND WATCHES YONDER
SKATERS NEGIOCIATE WITH APPREHENSION
WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE THIN ICE
MY FRUSTRATION TAKES RESIDENCE

ON THE THERE SIDE OF THE POND
THE LAYER IS LEAN WITH OFFENSIVE WORDS
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE SIEVE
AND HERE THE ICE IS RIGHT
THOUGHT THICK BY MANY A ONE'S COMMAND

TO SKATE WHERE ONE WISHES
IS A PERSONAL WRITE
BUT AT SMALL BITS OF TIME
THE IMAGINED THINNESS
COULD BE ON THE RIGHT

PERCHANCE YONDER AND HERE
ARE JUST A MATTER OF WHERE
WE MAKE OUR BIASED SKATES STEER

WOULD NEWLY CREATED WORDS ESCAPE
SCRAMBLE AWAY
FROM THE FORBIDDEN ZONE
THAT PLACE WE CATALOG
AS OBSCENE'S HOME

AFTER MULTITASKING A REFLECTION
ON MY POND OF WORDS
WHERE EVER IT HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED
INTO ICEY SHEETS
WHAT MATTERS MOST
IS THAT I NOT KNOCK DOWN
THE RESPECT
FOR ANOTHER SKATER'S BELIEFS

DO IF YOU DO
DON'T IF YOU DON'T
BUT WORDS ARE JUST WORDS
IT'S OUR REACTION THAT COURTS

ALISA I'M AMAZED HOW THIS THREAD HAS GROWN AND I 'M PROUD TO BE FORUM MEMBER EVEN THOUGH SOME OF US AT TIMES HAVE SHOWN OUR DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE. IT'S EASY TO SIT HERE AND WRITE AND CRITICIZE. IT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME TO DO WHAT YOU DO. WE ALL LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND HOPEFULLY WE GROW POSITIVELY.

REGARDS TO ALL LESLIE M

[juanpablosans]

I think it is just ridicolous and very childish not to translate swearing word and so because if I have to translate:

"TU, pedazo de mamaguevo..."

I wont say: "You, stupid man" but "You piece of shi...."

Foul language is still language, so we MUST translate it if we´re required to do so...