Thread: Perfect vs Imperfect

I was talking to my (Argentine) fiancée about the difference between the past tense in Spanish and English and the topic of the imperfect tense came up. I gave the dictionary definition of the imperfect (habitual or repeated action, blablabla) and she gave me the example of "este invierno hizo mucho frío." She says it's correct and I trust her because she's a native speaker (and I have learned what happens when I contradict her...), but my instinct says that "hacia mucho frío" would be correct. What does everyone have to say about this?

My confusion comes from the fact that "invierno" is three months. There were many days when it was cold (first snow in 90 years!!!), but others when it was warmer. So, it's a different sense for me, something similar to "cuando era joven". Regarding the use of imperfect with a perfect verb to establish a setting...is it grammatically correct to use an imperfect verb as the only verb in a sentence?

You've been very helpful Hebe. Thank you. My stubborn nature will not allow me to accept certain things, I suppose. I was confused mostly by the example of the winter being cold...but I will have to resign before the wisdom of others.

If I may say something on the matter, the main difference, in Spanish, between perfect and imperfect tenses, for what I know, is the status in which the action is, that is, finished (perfect) or unfinished (imperfect). The big issue with the translation of Spanish into English, and vice versa, is that the translation of the tenses is not linear: sometimes the simple past can be translated as pretérito perfecto simple, sometimes as pretérito imperfecto.

Originally Posted by ScottJ

My confusion comes from the fact that "invierno" is three months. There were many days when it was cold (first snow in 90 years!!!), but others when it was warmer. So, it's a different sense for me, something similar to "cuando era joven". Regarding the use of imperfect with a perfect verb to establish a setting...is it grammatically correct to use an imperfect verb as the only verb in a sentence?

If you would kindly allow me to give my opinion. I am very interested in linguistics, and I'd like to make a comment and I wonder if it makes sense to others in the forum. I speak Peruvian Spanish. The sentence "este invierno hizo mucho frio" is not grammatically correct in my view. Firstly, este denotes that we are at the tailend of winter, that we're still in it. Then hizo is in the past simple. In my view, hizo is the wrong tense, it should be ha hecho, or the present perfect, meaning we are still in winter, in the tailend of it, denoted by the word este, and the action is coming from the past into the present.

You could say, este invierno hizo mucho frio pero yo me mantuve abrigada con la chompa que me mando mi mama. That would be a case when the statement would be allowed - as part of a complex clause - but not on its own.

To say este invierno esta haciendo mucho frio is correct, i.e. the present continuous, we are in winter and the weather is continuously very cold. However, it would be wrong to say este invierno estuvo haciendo mucho frio unless you put a second statement, for example este invierno estuvo haciendo mucho frio pero yo me mantuve abrigada con la chompa que me mando mi mama. That is, the past continuous is used to denote two events, as is in English.

Could someone comment on my comment? I'd be grateful if you did.

Kind regards

Isabel

Hi everyone!
Looking at your posts I realize how much of our second language we don't know... and how much we can't possibly catch up.
I'm Argentinian, and I can't say "X" is right or wrong even within the borders of the country because there are so many variations of Spanish here; and Peruvian (or Chilean or Paraguayan) Spanish is so different from ours! This is a huge country with many different accents, vocabulary and tense patterns.
I would say "Este invierno hizo mucho frio", if we're still in winter, as well as if we're not in winter anymore; I would never say "Este ( aquel) invierno hacia mucho frio".
The idea of "was" in the sentences "Last winter was very cold" and in: "We were going to swim yesterday, but it was very cold", would take two different tenses in (my) Spanish: "El invierno pasado hizo mucho frio" and "Estábamos por nadar ayer, pero hacía mucho frio".
I don't know if it helps or confuses things, but when you look at it the other way around (as myself trying to be a proficient speaker of English as a Second Language), you realize grammatical rules are not fixed in stone... or whatever the saying is!